Response To ‘Clinton And Trump Were Equally Bad’

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Published on: 2018.01.03

Comment on my Facebook last night, after I asked Trump voters to apologize:

“Why would we apologies (sic) when we had to choose either Trump or Clinton? Can you image what it would be like if Hillary was now our President? Well, at least she probably would not tweet so much.

The Dotard’s Tweet
This is the screenshot I posted on Facebook, along with a personal message saying I was still waiting on Trump voters to apologize for him. It’s of a tweet our Buffoon In Chief posted Tuesday evening.

My response:

When someone says Clinton and Trump were equally bad, this is what I hear:

Boss: “I need to let someone go, but I can’t decide.”

Employee 1: “I drink on the weekends, and sometimes get drunk.”

Employee 2: “I’m drunk right now. Look, I puked on your carpet.”

Boss: “I still can’t decide.”

E1: “I didn’t finish that project you assigned me last week. Here’s what I’ve done so far.”

E2: “I set fire to my office.”

Boss: “You seem equally bad to me.”

E1: “I’m pretty bad, that’s true. Remember when I called in sick two weeks ago? I really just went shopping.”

E2: “I didn’t show up the whole month of July. I spent that time robbing liquor stores in three states.”

Boss: “But I need more criteria. There’s really nothing to differentiate between you.”

E1: “I’m no fun at parties, if that helps.”

E2: “I’m the reason people call the cops on parties.”

Boss: “Okay, maybe I should look for a third employee, so I can find someone to fire.”

E1: “There are plenty of other employees, but you should probably fire me. I’ve worked here the longest.”

E2: “I’ve sexually harassed everyone who works here.”

Boss: “Okay, maybe I won’t fire anyone.”

No one would trust that boss to run a company. But at the voting booth, we let him fire E1 and keep E2.


If you couldn’t tell during the 2016 campaigns that Trump was the greater of two evils, you probably shouldn’t have voted. If, after a year of Trump’s presidency, you still think Clinton would have been “just as bad”, you need to avoid voting booths in the future too.

  1. Dana says:

    I live in a Blue State, as do my family, so I never personally encountered anyone who was voting for Trump over Hillary. What I did encounter where many who just sat home rather than voting for Hillary because , “they just couldn’t trust her.” My reply when confronted with that cop-out was always, “and just what is it exactly, that you think she’ll do that is so awful?” No one could ever answer that. It was infuriating to hear. As a woman, I always just parsed their knee-jerk statement as thinly veiled misogyny (and it wasn’t just men who would say they couldn’t trust Hillary).

    This morning, Donald Trump is tweet-baiting North Korea, saying that our nukes (i.e. his dick) are bigger than Kim Jong-Un’s nukes. And yet, Hillary is the one we couldn’t trust. *sigh*

    • Wil C. Fry says:

      I know a few who abstained, or voted third-party, and several who voted for Trump. I simply could not understand why everyone hated Mrs. Clinton so much.

      I don’t LIKE her, in the sense that I probably wouldn’t have a good time hanging out with her and her personality grates at me in all the wrong ways, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to voting. But I voted for her because my Dad (yes, the same Dad who made the above comment) taught me about the principle of voting for the “lesser of two evils”. She was clearly the least-evil of the two main candidates and clearly more qualified than ANY of the other candidates. (And I didn’t consider any of the third-party folks to have any chance of winning.)

  2. Mammon says:

    A bunch of people I talked to brought up the “equally bad” argument. My response:

    “When people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together.” ~Isaac Asimov

    I also find that people never use that argument in favour of Democrats. If they’re not using it to explain their vote for a third party candidate, it’s almost always used to defend voting for a Republican. It especially comes up if that Republican is rather terrible, followed by a proclamation that the candidate will shake things up or do away with the status quo.

  3. Bill Fry says:

    Why do you think only 33 percent of the people of Arkansas voted for Clinton? Are they all just stupid?

  4. Bill Fry says:

    What I meant to say : Are all the 60 percent that voted for Trump stupid? I think Arkansas knew Bill and Hillary Clinton pretty well.

    • Wil C. Fry says:

      “Are all the 60 percent that voted for Trump [in Arkansas] stupid?”

      That’s an interesting question. First, I don’t think intelligence levels (necessarily) determine how people vote. People vote the way they do for a variety of reasons.

      “I think Arkansas knew Bill and Hillary Clinton pretty well.”

      Let’s look at that claim. In 1992, Bill Clinton won Arkansas with a 53-35 margin over G.H.W. Bush. In 1996, after four years of Clinton’s presidency, Arkansas voted him again, with a 54-37 victory over Bob Dole (and 8% for Perot). These elections were immediately after Clinton’s twelve years as governor of the state, which followed his two years as Arkansas’ attorney general. So, when they knew the Clintons the best, Arkansas voters liked them. For three decades.

      Once Bill Clinton was no longer eligible for the presidency, Arkansas — by a very narrow margin — voted for G.W. Bush in 2000, and has voted Republican ever since. (Bush twice, then McCain, Romney, and Trump). Noticeably, Romney’s percent of the popular vote in Arkansas in 2012 was identical to Trump’s percentage in 2016, both at 60.57%. This says Trump’s victory there wasn’t about Bill and Hillary Clinton at all, but about Republican versus Democrat. (If they’d voted for Trump because they “knew Bill and Hillary Clinton pretty well”, then his total have been significantly higher than Romney’s total when Clinton wasn’t on the ballot.)

      In other words, They voted exactly the same in 2016 as they did in 2012, so we can safely rule out any “knowledge” of the Clintons being a factor. (If Trump had done worse than Romney, we might assume some Arkansans felt nostalgia or closeness to the Clintons. If Trump had done better than Romney, we might assume Arkansans felt bitterness toward the Clintons. But Trump and Romney each got 60.57% of Arkansas’ vote.)

      So it looks like Arkansas was just fine with the Clintons while they were actually in Arkansas, and even for eight years thereafter. A small majority went Republican when the choice was Bush v. Gore, and that majority grew until 2012 (Obama v. Romney), where it still sits today.

      Nothing about any of this suggests any special harmful knowledge about the Clintons on the part of Arkansans. If anything, it looks like whatever up-close-and-personal knowledge they had faded over time until they couldn’t remember how much they’d liked the Clintons in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s.

      Also note: Oklahoma voted for Trump 65-29 over Clinton, a significantly larger margin than Trump won in Arkansas, and slightly larger than Romney’s 67-33 win over Obama in 2012. Do Oklahomans have special knowledge of the Clintons that Arkansas voters don’t have? If the vote against Clinton was based on knowing things about her that the rest of the U.S. didn’t know, then how do Oklahomans know more about it than Arkansas?

      But I could have answered simply with one line: “It is absurd to suggest that Arkansas voters somehow knew stuff about the Clintons that the rest of the U.S. didn’t realize, especially considering Arkansas voted twice for Bill Clinton as president.”

  5. Bill Fry says:

    Wow. I’m very impressed with your research and the conclusion of your analyst and evaluation of the Arkansas election results. It seems to make sense to me.

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